“We were very naive about running a business when we started. We saw business through the lens of designers, sometimes to the horror of our business coaches. They would ask what mattered and we would say aesthetics, while they talked about cash flow. We had to learn that side, but design training has helped us become better business people.” In the latest episode of the Bespoke Careers Podcast, Sarah Gibson and Nicholas Karlovasitis of DESIGN BY THEM reflect on 15 years of running a design business in Australia. Listen/watch now! https://lnkd.in/e_jiC3k7